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Заглавие: Re: Naruto (manga) - внимание, спойлери!! ![Мнение Мнение](./styles/AeroBlue/imageset/icon_post_target.gif) Публикувано на: Пет Юли 17, 2009 5:00 pm |
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Добре,добре дай да допълня.. Цитат: И как Обито, ще се е измъкнал откъдето и да е при положение, че е смазан от скала, (пребит от нинджи) и без едно око? Зетсу нали владее earth елемента, т.е. той може да е взел тялото на Обито и да го е дал на Мадара и т.н.
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Заглавие: Re: Naruto (manga) - внимание, спойлери!! ![Мнение Мнение](./styles/AeroBlue/imageset/icon_post_target.gif) Публикувано на: Пет Юли 17, 2009 11:03 pm |
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FreaKy написа: Аз съдя по това което съм видял ! Кишимото ако реши може и да го измисли че Обито е бутал повечко с дясната ръка във фитнеса и за т'ва нищо не му е направил камъка , или пък че си има вграден багер в десният крак ... все пак ще стане както той го е решил ... видял е 4тия да прави телепортиращо джутсу и си е пратил другата половина на майната си и дефакто не е под камъка (да знам ... трябва му активиран шаринган, ама сигурно подсъзнателно го е запомнил ![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif) )
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Заглавие: Re: Naruto (manga) - внимание, спойлери!! ![Мнение Мнение](./styles/AeroBlue/imageset/icon_post_target.gif) Публикувано на: Нед Юли 19, 2009 4:47 pm |
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За тези, които мислят че Тоби (Мадара) е Обито - ето една теория Намерих я в един форум на Наруто : Цитат: Here are my thoughts on Danzo-Obito-Tobi-Madara. (hypothesis only)
I think that when Madara was defeated by Hashirama, he was left for dead at the VOE. But, a young, ambitious Danzo went to the VOE seeking to gain Madara's power. Danzo stole the right eye from Madara's corpse and implanted it. The remains of Madara's body were recovered/devoured by Zetsu (the left Sharingan was saved). The effect of EMS was that as long as his eye survived in a living host, Madara was never truly destroyed (somewhat analogous to Sauron's Ring from LOTR). Thus Danzo was unknowingly responsible for Madara's survival. However, Madara was unable to resurface for quite a while, since he was without a body.
Many years later, Zetsu discovered an Uchiha body, the body of Uchiha Obito. In order for Madara to be reborn, it was necessary that the host body be an Uchiha body. Zetsu was somehow able to communicate with Madara's consciousness. And under Madara's instruction, Zetsu proceeded to implant Madara's left eye into Obito's dead body. This was the creation of Tobi.
Immediately following his resurrection, Madara thought only on revenge. In the period of one year, he found the 9-tailed demon fox and used his left eye to order it to attack Konoha. The attack was thwarted by Namikaze Minato, the fourth hokage, who sealed the Kyuubi's chakra with Shiki Fuujin. Minato also used the Shiki Fuujin to seal a portion of himself within Naruto. Minato would later remark to Naruto (during his fight with Pain) that the masked ninja who summoned the Kyuubi (i.e. Tobi) was able to see through all of his techniques. The reason Madara was able to see through Minato's techniques was precisely due to the fact that Madara's host body was Obito, one of Minato's students. Hence all of Obito's knowledge about the fourth hokage's techs was also known to Madara.
Now fast forward to Madara's story about the background of Uchiha Itachi. Madara spoke of specific conversations that were supposedly known only to the three elders, the third hokage, and Itachi. He also told Sasuke that Itachi died unaware that Madara also knew all of the backstory. How did Madara know? Madara's right and left EMS eyes are connected. The right half of Danzo's body is slowly being transformed by the implanted EMS, and this allows Madara to know about Danzo's dealings and vice versa. This also explains Madara's vulnerability. As Madara himself admitted, if he didn't keep some secrets from Itachi, he'd be dead. Had Itachi known that Madara's right eye was possessed by Danzo, Itachi could have killed Madara by going after Danzo, destroying the right eye, and consequently destroying Madara's EMS immortality.
In recent chapters, Madara has spoken about implementing his Moon's Eye plan. The Moon God was born from the right eye of Izanagi and so Madara plans to recover his right eye from Danzo. His current right eye is Obito's Sharingan. Obito's MS has the ability of Kamui, which can create time-space warp holes. Kakashi's use of this MS is limited, however when Madara uses it from within the body of a true Uchiha, he can teleport himself, or parts of himself, instantaneously over long distances. Цитат: We know that Madara survived his fight with Hashirama, but as far as we know, he didn't make any major assaults against Konoha until much much later in the timeline. Why is that? Why did he wait so long? My conclusion is that he was not physically able to, perhaps because he was without a physical container. And with this assumption, I'm led to believe that Madara had an accomplice that helped him attain a new body.
I assume that this accomplice was Zetsu. Zetsu has increasingly been shown as the member of Akatsuki in whom Madara confides his plans. White Zetsu seems unaware of most things, but Black Zetsu seems to know quite a bit (including knowledge of artifacts such as Yata's Mirror and the Sword of Totsuka). After Sasori's death, it was Black Zetsu that referred to Tobi as a "good kid". I believe that Black Zetsu has always been aware of the fact that Tobi is Madara. So, why then would Black Zetsu refer to Madara as a "good kid" if he knew that there was a 100 year old Madara behind the mask?
Using Black Zetsu's words as a clue, I infer that the person underneath Tobi's mask is significantly younger than Madara would be. Furthermore, I submit that it is the consciousness and chakra of Madara inside the body of Obito. Now, Obito would be Kakashi's age, almost 30 years old, which isn't exactly a kid. And Tobi doesn't have the appearance (heightwise) of a kid either. However, because Black Zetsu knows Tobi as a kid, I interpret that literally to mean that Zetsu actually knew Tobi when he was a kid. And from that inference, I jump to the idea that Zetsu played a part in the creation of Tobi.
Regarding Madara's Sharingan, my current thoughts are that Danzo possesses Madara's right Sharingan and that Madara is using Obito's Sharingan as a substitute (simply my own conjecture). However, we do know that Itachi had used the image of Tobi's right eye to trigger an Amaterasu attack from Sasuke. If my theory is correct, then that would mean Obito's eye is the trigger and that Sasuke would begin Amaterasu upon seeing Kakashi's Sharingan.
One doubt that I have is that if Tobi's right eye were Obito's, then Itachi would have realized the similarity between Tobi/Madara's Sharingan and Kakashi's Sharingan. But I'm not really sure about that. На мен това ми се струва доста удачно, има някои пропуски, но много добро попадение
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Заглавие: Re: Naruto (manga) - внимание, спойлери!! ![Мнение Мнение](./styles/AeroBlue/imageset/icon_post_target.gif) Публикувано на: Пон Юли 20, 2009 12:41 pm |
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Sheva7 написа: За мене всичко си е ясно Тоби е Мадара , Обито си е мъртав ,а Данзо си е Данзо ... Подкрепям тази теория ![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif) Данзо си е .... Данзо
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Заглавие: Re: Naruto (manga) - внимание, спойлери!! ![Мнение Мнение](./styles/AeroBlue/imageset/icon_post_target.gif) Публикувано на: Пон Юли 20, 2009 2:57 pm |
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skailer написа: Sheva7 написа: За мене всичко си е ясно Тоби е Мадара , Обито си е мъртав ,а Данзо си е Данзо ... Подкрепям тази теория ![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif) Данзо си е .... Данзо ![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif) Леле,вие открихте топлата вода Тая манга вече отдавна е EPIC FAIL (дори стана по-зле и от белината ![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif) ) Ама автора се опитва да вкарва нови ,,интриги" ![:tired:](./images/smilies/tired.gif) Само трябва някой да го научи как става тая работа
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Заглавие: Re: Naruto (manga) - внимание, спойлери!! ![Мнение Мнение](./styles/AeroBlue/imageset/icon_post_target.gif) Публикувано на: Пон Юли 20, 2009 5:30 pm |
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Бе на теория бая измряха ... and then agian .. they are still alive.
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